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- THREE BETA-CARBOLINE CONTAINING PLANTS AS POTENTIATORS OF SYNTHETIC DMT
- AND OTHER INDOLE PSYCHEDELICS
-
- . . . a technical note from the underground
-
- by "Gracie and Zarkov"
-
- Copyright August 1985 by Gracie and Zarkov productions. We believe that in
- a truly free society the price of packaged information would be driven down
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- does not take credit for our statements!
-
- Number 7.
-
-
- _Introduction_
-
- This paper is aimed at the serious student and/or researcher of psychedelic
- substances. Unlike many of our more popularly oriented articles and papers we
- do not intend it for our recreationally inclined friends on the psychedelic
- underground. Given the diets and drug habits of most contemporary "heads", the
- use of MAO inhibitors could easily result in serious physical complications
- (like death). Additionally, these states are so intense that unless you are
- crazy enough to regard 50 mg of DMT or 7.5 grams of potent stropharia
- mushrooms as the beginning of a good time, these mixes are definitely out for
- you.
-
- The content of this technical note will, we hope, provide researchers
- interested in the beta-carboline/tryptamine combinations with some "hard
- empirical facts" combined with our musings. Hopefully, these will spawn new
- ideas for further experiments in this very exciting and very confusing area
- of psychedelic research.
-
-
- _Summary_
-
- The purpose of this paper is to summarize our current work with three
- beta-carboline, Harmala alkaloid-containing plants, i.e.,
-
- _Passiflora incarnata_ (passion flower)
- _Peganum harmala_ (syrian rue)
- _Bansteriopsis caapi_ (principal ingredient in yage)
-
- Specifically, we wish to report on the phenomena and comparative activity
- when extracts of each of these plants are smoked in conjunction with DMT.
-
-
- _Sources of the Plant Material_
-
- The passion flower was purchased as dried, whole, chopped plant material from
- an herb store. The seeds of the syrian rue were purchased from a specialty
- seed service. No attempt was made to ascertain the origin of the plant
- material. The _Banisteriopsis caapi_ was obtained from a private plantation
- in Hawaii. The caapi arrived cut into lengths of about one foot long, and
- ranged in diameter from about one quarter of an inch to one half inch. The
- original plant specimens had been collected in the Amazon by the grower.
-
- _Extraction Technique_
- We used the same extraction technique for all three plants. We had developed
- this technique for smoking the passion flower to potentiate Psilocybian
- mushrooms (see below) and wished to have the data from this set of
- experiments be comparable. The technique was a two-stage extraction. The
- first extraction used was a boiling alcohol (we used vodka) and water
- infusion followed by a second extraction using boiled distilled water. Each
- infusion was boiled for several hours. A "slow cooker" is ideal for this. In
- the case of the caapi, the bark was peeled off in strips first. For the
- syrian rue, we first ground the seeds very fine. For both the passion flower
- and the caapi, the second extract was essentially clear and seemed
- unnecessary. However, in the case of the syrian rue, the second extract was a
- bright cloudy yellow which may indicate harmine in solution.
-
- The plant material was strained and compressed after each extraction. the
- liquids from the two extractions were combined and dried using low heat on
- the slow cooker. The result was a brown caramally mass for both the passion
- flower and caapi. The weight was about 20% of the original for the passion
- flower and the rue, and about 45% for the caapi. Except in the case of the
- passion flower, we cannot see any clear advantages of extraction over that of
- smoking the original plant material due to the relatively minor concentration
- of the amount needed to smoke. A plain water infusion would also seem to be
- just as effective in removing the harmine and would result in less of the
- other plant components being extracted.
-
- The syrian rue extract was the most interesting. It actually had long, thin,
- yellowish crystals in a brownish, red, hard, clear matrix which was not at
- all gooey like the other two extracts. This is not surprising given the
- assumed concentration of beta-carboline alkaloids. Based on our rough
- averaging from a variety of sources, our up-front beta-carboline
- concentration estimates for the plant materials were as follows:
-
- Plant % beta-Carbolines Ratio (syrian rue=1)
- ----- ------------------ -----
- Rue 2.0 - 4.0% 1
- Caapi 0.1% 20
- Passion flower 0.05 - 0.1% 40
-
-
- _Usage_
-
- In each case we smoked the extract until we had reached subjectively the same
- high. As with our previous work with the passion flower extract, smoking
- significant amounts above this did not seem to get one any higher, but just
- intensified the physical symptoms and one felt increasingly sick. So far,
- only with the passion flower have we experimented with an oral dose. Oral
- infusions of the other plants are planned for our fall 1985 series of
- experiments.
-
- The plant material is smoked with a match, lighter, or torch in such a way to
- promote the boiling of the material, rather than burning it. This seems to
- yield the most effective high. The highly concentrated rue extract lends
- itself nicely to smoking in a "hash oil" pipe with the flame heating the bowl
- on the outside.
-
-
- _The High_
-
- The high is not particularly psychedelic or hallucinogenic. One feels calm.
- This calming effect is particularly noted by an observer as a significant
- change in facial expression and tone of voice. The limbs become heavy and
- lethargic and visibly tremble. Hypersalivation occurs, particularly at the
- back of the mouth, making for a particularly smooth smoke. A slight
- irritation of urethra and anus is sometimes noted. At higher dosages,
- dizziness and nausea sets in with very little increase in the high. Closed
- eye imagery is at best hypnagogic. That is to say, faint, moving outlines can
- be discerned with closed eyes. If one has a particularly vivid imagination,
- ghostly outlines of figures can be discerned. The more literal minded just
- see dim shifting blobs of light and dark. No one who has experienced DMT or
- high dose mushrooms would ever call them visions.
-
- The high comes on and stabilizes after about 5 to 10 minutes or smoking. As
- mentioned before, it is very difficult to get higher by smoking more. If one
- stops at this point, the most noticeable thing would be a calm and
- unapprehensive state. We take particular note of this diminishing of
- apprehensions since we are always apprehensive before we smoke DMT so its
- diminution or absence is very noticeable.
-
- The passion flower is mentally the foggiest high, but curiously has the
- strongest "anti-depressant" effect. This may be related to the overall mix of
- alkaloids in the passion flower (see below). The syrian rue was the clearest,
- cleanest high with the caapi being, subjectively, in between. The caapi had
- the least "antidepressant" effect.
-
-
- _Dosage_
-
-
- The dosage ratios of the original plant material smoked for subjectively
- reaching the same level of high is roughly estimated as follows:
-
- Plant Dosage Ratio
- ------ ------------
- Rue 1
- Caapi 12
- Passion flower 80
- The dosage ratio is based on the mass of the original plant material. That is
- to say, to get as high as smoking one ounce of syrian rue, would require
- smoking 12 ounces of caapi, or over two kilograms of passion flower.
- Curiously, although various field researchers estimate beta-carboline dosage
- in native brews to range between 300 to 500 mg, in our dosage we only needed
- dosages in the 50 mg range. As noted above, increasing the dosage did not
- increase the high but only aggravated the physical symptoms. Even when
- tryptamines were taken later in addition, increasing the dosage past this
- point did not significantly alter the combined trip. It was as if there was
- some "switch" in the brain which, with sufficient beta-carbolines, was set
- from "off" to "on" and no further action would take place. We do not rule out
- the possibility of a second "switch" at the 300 - 500 mg range that we might
- have missed.
-
-
-
- _Tryptamine Combinations_
-
- For comparison purposes, each of the plant materials was smoked according to
- the above method. Approximately 10 minutes after this plant-material-high
- stabilized, 15 mg of DMT was smoked. One of us would go through the entire
- procedure while the other kept notes and timings.
-
- The following consistent effects were observed:
-
- > The overall impact of the trip was heightened far above the normally
- only threshold effects of a 15 mg dose of DMT. Subjectively, the dose felt
- more like 34-45 mg or roughly tripled in intensity.
-
- > The overall length of the DMT "flash" and subsequent patterns was
- lengthened. The "flash" of visions which is normally 2 to 3 minutes at
- a 40 mg dosage, was about 6 minutes with the beta-carboline predosing
- ....at 15 mg of DMT. The total period of intense closed eye imagery, normally
- less than 5 to 7 minutes (including the flash) was extended uniformly to
- about 9 minutes with an additional 10 minute slowly decreasing tail of
- closed eye patterns.
-
- > The auditory effects were so pronounced as to be almost overwhelming on
- several occasions. In fact, the auditory effects were stronger than even
- extremely high dose trips where we had smoked 50 to 70 mg of DMT all at
- once. The initial sounds, the so-called "carrier wave" or opening buzz
- that has been described as "tearing plastic" was greatly amplified.
- The DMT "music" which we describe as a xylophone-type sound which
- accompanies the visions was extremely loud and seemed to keep coming
- on to the point where it became disturbing on several trips.
-
- > The basic "jeweled dome" or "chrysanthemum" pattern, seen after the
- "vision flash" was fractured or separated. Instead of a uniform circular
- pattern, there seemed to be distinctive left and right halves of the
- pattern with a new, hard to describe pattern in the middle. The overall
- effect of the patterns seemed to us more mushroom-like, although we would
- be hard pressed to give a detailed explanation of why we felt this way.
-
- > Similarly, the visions seemed to unfold in a more leisurely
- fashion. Again, we were reminded of the mushroom. While the DMT effect
- still hits fast and hard, the rushed "million things at once" feeling of
- DMT smoked alone is quite muted.
-
- > The colors of the pattern are also shifted as compared to DMT
- alone. Again, since we can't accurately describe colors in the first
- place, it is hard to pin down, but it could be characterized as less
- primary or jewel-like, with fewer or less saturated colors than DMT
- alone.
-
- > Finally, when one comes out of the vision state, the "woozey"
- feeling is quite pronounced for an additional 10 minutes or so. This
- feeling was very reminiscent of the mushroom "knock-down".
-
- The content of the visions was also altered. There were fewer "alien,
- self-transforming, elf-machines" and more visions of recognizable
- things. Strange animals and hooded figures marched in a bas relief
- procession. Griffin-like monsters rhythmically changed into beautiful
- naked women and back. The feeling-tone was serious, unlike the
- playfulness or cheerful (even though quite terrifying) hilarity of the
- "self-transforming elf machines" experienced on DMT alone. The intensity
- was altered. We hesitate to say increase, since DMT is intense by
- itself, but the change in feeling tone, the more serious, almost
- personally directed information of the trance, subjectively made the
- trip more intense. On one trip, one of us made contact with a highly
- serious, palpable entity whose message could be quite simply summarized
- as "Are you sure you want to get into this? This is far more extreme
- than what you have done before. It is the path to destruction of
- gnosis!"
-
- Subjectively, we preferred the syrian rue to potentiate DMT. It gave the
- cleanest, most intense high. While we have never taken true Ayahuasca,
- detailed discussion of some of the trip's contents with someone who has
- significant experience with that brew, confirmed that the trip content
- was like a short Ayahuasca trip.
-
- The passion flower was the least desirable potentiator. (Probably due to
- low harmine content in proportion to the total beta-carboline content.)
- The amount required for effective tryptamine potentiation left us foggy
- and somewhat sick. Furthermore, the MAO effects lingered for two to
- three days. The caapi's effects were, again, in between.
-
-
- _Anomalous Observations_
- This brings us to a curious set of observations. First, although the
- literature would indicate that the harmine MAO inhibition should be reversed
- in about five hours, the effects from all of the smoked plant material
- continued for at least 24 to 48 hours. That is to say, clear potentiation was
- noticed after this amount of time had elapsed. We hypothesize that this effect
- is due primarily to beta-carbolines other than harmine present in the plant
- material which, while qualitatively weaker as MAO inhibitors, may have a
- duration of effect which is much longer. However, we have reason to believe
- that something additional, due to the tryptamines, may be happening.
-
- Once we had taken 7.5 grams of very potent dried Stropharia. We were
- interested in making contact with the "voice in the head" phenomenon. We
- potentiated the mushrooms by each smoking about 750 grams(!) of passion
- flower (reduced as described above) starting about 30 minutes after eating
- the mushrooms. The potentiation was quite overwhelming. After smoking about one
- quarter of the plant material, each fresh lungfull brought on, within seconds,
- powerful "starburst" and "intersecting lightning bolt" hallucinations which,
- with eyes opened, obscured a well-lit room. The "voice" phenomenon was loud
- and clear and very unsettling (the content of the trip has been described in
- High Frontiers, Issue 2.) Before this trip we had attempted on several
- occasions to invoke the voice phenomenon with the same mushrooms at dosages
- of up to 10 grams, to no avail. But, even more curiously, effects such as
- clear instance of MAO inhibition, voices in the head, visions (with both
- closed and opened eyes) and finally at the end of the period, clear
- potentiation of another psychedelic (LSD) occurred at discrete short
- intervals over a period of 14 days! We realize that this sounds unbelievable,
- however it did happen. It is our opinion that peculiar long-term effects can
- be initiated by large combined doses of tryptamines and beta-carbolines that
- cannot be adequately explained using current models of brain chemistry.
-
- Additionally, since that rather harrowing trip, the mushroom "voice" has been
- inescapable even on dosages as low as approximately one gram. As less
- spectacular long-term effects, we have also noticed this "locking-in" or
- tuning-in effect with the beta-carboline/DMT combination. That is, effects
- that were previously elusive on DMT alone became easy to invoke once they
- have occurred in the combination.
-
- NOTE: We understand from conversations with other investigators that this
- approach of first taking the mushrooms and then smoking the beta-carboline
- material when the mushroom effects begin to come on to be in the most
- efficacious approach.
-
- Another curious observation is the "9 minute barrier". So far, we have not
- been successful in causing the DMT imagery to last longer than 9 minutes,
- irrespective of the dosage, or the type of underlying predose plant material.
- To make matters more interesting in our experiments with DMT and MDA (which
- is also a mild MAO inhibitor) the DMT effects are gain lengthened to about 9
- minutes. (See, our "Note From Underground, no. 4") Yet Ayahuasca produces a
- trip which lasts for several hours. At present we have no explanation,
- especially since much of the active components in the orally consumed brews
- are inactivated in the stomach and intestines or not absorbed.
-
- In experiments in which we have predosed ourselves with DMT and then taken
- another psychedelic several hours later, we have noted very discernible (MDA)
- to dramatic effects (mushrooms or LSD) when the second substance is taken as
- much as 8 hours after the DMT. (See, our "Note from the Underground, nos. 5
- and 6.") Again, this is hard to explain since the total DMT experience should
- only last about one hour. However, when we smoked DMT and after the flash
- smoked the beta-carboline plant material we were unable to cause any clear
- DMT imagery. What did happen was an immediate feeling of depression, almost
- exactly opposite the effect on mood of DMT.
-
- One final hard-to-explain phenomenon. On about one quarter of the trips,
- after coming out of the trance and with our condition stabilized (or at least
- so we felt) about 20 minutes after smoking DMT, we experienced a rush of
- "information" into our minds with no other psychedelic effects. That is to
- say, without any visual, physical or auditory shift, we suddenly possessed, in
- our minds, a complex, detailed and lengthy thought with non ida where it had
- come from and the conviction that it had not existed in our heads, even in
- fragments, an instant before. The content of each of these thoughts was
- bizarre and had to do with directions on how to accomplish activities that
- are normally regarded as supernatural, impossible and/or crazy. Furthermore,
- the content of the thought was encouraging us to attempt these feats! While
- we have no first hand experience with schizophrenics (other than some
- Berkeley street people) our reading of the literature caused us to conclude
- that this type of phenomena would be considered a clear instance of
- schizophrenic thinking.
-
-
-
- _Beta-Carboline Potentiation of LSD_
-
- We have also experimented with potentiation of LSD by beta-carboline
- containing plants. Generically, the effects follow the same patterns.
- Subjectively, the dose feels three to four times more potent than it actually
- is. The closed eye imagery is greatly enhanced with circular highly detailed
- bright imagery visible on only 25 - 25 [sic] micrograms. On higher doses (150
- - 200 micrograms) there was a feeling of an ancestral presence (we have never
- felt an outside presence on LSD alone in over several hundred acid trips but
- we have found it quite common when LSD is combined with another psychedelic).
-
- The closed-eye patterns were "almost visions". That is to say they were
- clearer than hypnagogic imagery but not as overwhelming or clear as DMT
- visions. The visuals were more like clear dream imagery. The mood elevation
- was quite astounding. At one point one of us shouted "You couldn't possibly
- have a bad trip on this stuff." There were no mood swings and the buoyant
- elation slowly receded to baseline over the course of the trip.
-
-
-
-
- _Tentative Conclusions and Suggestions for Further Research_
-
- To restate the obvious, indole psychedelics taken in a state of MAO
- inhibition are much more intense and _qualitatively different_ than when
- taken alone. We believe that these combinations offer numerous fruitful
- avenues for further research.
-
- Additionally, we find the syrian rue seeds to be a convenient, concentrated
- and easily obtainable source of beta-carbolines that can serve as a substitute
- for the more exotic, difficult to obtain, Banisteriopsis caapi.
-
- Clearly, our next area of research should be in the area of "synthetic
- Ayahuasca". That is, trying to perfect an orally administered mixture of
- syrian rue and synthetic DMT that qualitatively behaves like the South
- American plant brews.
-
- Additional work should be done with the smoked mixtures to investigate the
- "9 minute barrier" and to provide more qualitative mixtures for some future
- beta-carboline/Tryptamine cookbook.
-
- Finally, we hope that the information in this article might be correlated
- with the work of other researchers to suggest entirely new areas for research
- and to provide explanations for some of these phenomena.
-
-
-
- Stay High and Stay Free,
-
- Gracie and Zarkov
-